Colonel Bree Fram on the Impending Trump Threat to Trans Military

It has been reported that Donald Trump plans a trans military ban via executive order as soon as he takes office. It would reinstate and expand upon his first administration’s ban on transgender military service members. Details of this action are not known but the potential of this executive action is stoking devastating uncertainty for transgender people across the country.

Today we talk again to Colonel Bree Fram -- she spoke to us three years ago after the first ban had been lifted. Today we will talk to her about the current threat as well as about her new book With Valor and Visibility: The Next Chapter of Transgender Military Service.

Bree is currently stationed at the Pentagon where she develops the requirements for future Space Force capabilities. Prior to recommissioning into the Space Force in 2021, she served 18 years in a wide variety of Air Force positions including a Research and Development command position and an oversight role for all Air Force security cooperation activity with Iraq. She is an author, podcaster, and keynote speaker.

Bree also co-leads the Department of the Air Force LGBTQ+ Initiatives Team, dedicated to eliminating barriers to LGBTQ+ military service in the Air and Space Force.

With Co-host Brody Levesque